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gigography 1985

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March 1985 : "Hip Priests and Kamerads" LP released

January - May 1985 : lineup # 19 redux : Mark E. Smith (vocals), Brix E. Smith (guitar, vocals), Craig Scanlon (guitar), Simon Rogers (bass, keyboards), Karl Burns (drums).

Thanks to David Flavell for the clippings.

Thursday, 7 March 1985   Town Hall, Hammersmith, London

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Copped It / Couldn't Get Ahead / Disney's Dream Debased / Fortress / Clear Off / Barmy / Lay of the Land / The Classical / Cruiser's Creek / 2 x 4 / No Bulbs

Supporting were Jazz Butcher and Khmer Rouge, Marcia Schofield's band. £4.00 Photo by Simon Jenkins.

John Adair: "I also remember irritating Junior Choice nursery rhyme Three Little Fishes playing a hellish loop before the gig…"

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Thursday, 14 March 1985   King George's Hall, Blackburn

Barmy / 2 x 4 / Smile / God Box / Clear Off / Lay of the Land / Couldn't Get Ahead / Slang King / Fortress / Copped It / Cruiser's Creek / No Bulbs / Marquis Cha Cha

Peter: "Steve Hanley played keyboards on Slang King although on ‘sabbatical' from the band at this time."

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Saturday, 16 March 1985   Wearmouth Hall, Sunderland Polytechnic

Copped It / 2 x 4 / The Classical / Couldn't Get Ahead / Hexen Definitive / Lay of the Land / Barmy / Hey! Marc Riley / Slang King / Draygo's Guilt / Elves / No Bulbs / Fortress / Cruiser's Creek

"Lay Of The Land" guitar tape intro

- "You've got (...)?" (before "The Classical")
- "Synthesized... starring The Kane Gang as the Black snd White Minstrels." (amended lyrics to "Hexen Definitive")
- "Do 'Slang King'." (before "Slang King")

Thanks to Andy for the ticket.

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Sunday, 17 March 1985   Royal Court, Liverpool

No Bulbs / 2 x 4 / The Classical / Couldn't Get Ahead / Hexen Definitive / Lay of the Land / Barmy / Slang King / God Box / Draygo's Guilt / Petty Thief Lout // Coppped It

- "Louis Armstrong, Kane Gang tapes waft down the aisles." (amended lyrics to "Hexen Definitive")
- "It's been a hard day today, I know. Don't worry about it. Dead commercial, yeah. Well, you should know." (before "Copped It")

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USA : ca. 22 March - 6 April

Friday, 22 March 1985   Hollywood Palace, Los Angeles, California

Smile / Couldn't Get Ahead / The Classical / Lay of the Land / Elves / Clear Off / Barmy / God Box / Slang King / 2 x 4 / Copped It

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Saturday, 23 March 1985   Texas Records, Santa Monica, California

Lay of the Land (aborted) / Lay of the Land / 2 x 4 / No Bulbs

A bit of this was broadcast on "The Cutting Edge" show on MTV.

Many thanks to Skip King for the flyer.

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Saturday, 23 March 1985   Oskar's Cornhusker, Azusa, California

Wings / 2 x 4 / Barmy / Fortress / Elves / Couldn't Get Ahead / Hexen Definitive / Lay of the Land / No Bulbs / Copped It / Hey! Marc Riley / The Classical

- "(...) Is he man or not?" (before "The Classical")

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Monday, 25 March 1985   I-Beam, San Francisco, California

Wings / God Box / Smile / Barmy / Lay of the Land / Elves / Clear Off / Couldn't Get Ahead / Slang King / 2 x 4 / The Classical / Hey! Marc Riley

Someone plays a few notes of the riff to "Smoke on the Water" before "The Classical". J. Neo Marvin has a few photos on his site (scroll down to the bottom)

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Tuesday, 26 March 1985   Keystone, Palo Alto, California

Copped It / Fortress / Disney's Dream Debased / Couldn't Get Ahead / Oh! Brother / The Classical / Hexen Definitive / Lay of the Land / No Bulbs / God Box / Barmy / 2 x 4 / Marquis Cha-Cha

Michael Lang interviewed Mark earlier in the day and the interview was printed in a 1986 edition of Bravear.

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Thursday, 28 March 1985   Danceteria, New York City, New York

No Bulbs / 2 x 4 / Clear Off / Elves / Couldn't Get Ahead / Slang King / Oh! Brother / Hexen Definitive-Strife Knot / Lay of the Land / The Classical / Barmy / Copped It

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March ? 1985   City Gardens, Trenton, New Jersey

No tape exists?

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Sunday, 31 March 1985   9:30 Club, Washington, D.C.

Copped It / Fortress / Disney's Dream Debased / Couldn't Get Ahead / Clear Off / Elves / Barmy / 2 x 4 / Slang King / The Classical / God Box / Lay of the Land

Thanks to Paul for the ticket.

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Monday, 1 April 1985   Agora, Columbus, Ohio

Copped It / Fortress / Disney's Dream Debased / Couldn't Get Ahead / Elves / Clear Off / 2 x 4 / Slang King / Barmy / God Box / Wings / Lay of the Land

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Wednesday, 3 April 1985   Spit, Boston, Massachussets

Wings / Copped It / Disney's Dream Debased / [walk off] / Fortress / Elves / 2 x 4 / Slang King / Barmy / Smile / Lay of the Land // The Classical / Couldn't Get Ahead / Cruiser's Creek

- "Just a bit of equipment trouble there, son." (before "Fortress", after walk off)

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Thursday, 4 April 1985   Exit Club, Chicago, Illinois

flyer 2

Copped It / God Box / Disney's Dream Debased / Elves / Clear Off / Fortress / Hexen Definitive-Strife Knot / Lay of the Land / No Bulbs / Barmy / 2 x 4 / Wings

Thanks to Derek and Tammy for the flyers.

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Friday, 5 April 1985   St. Andrew's Hall, Detroit, Michigan

No tape exists?

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Saturday, 6 April 1985   Peppermint Lounge, New York City, New York

No Bulbs / God Box / Clear Off / Couldn't Get Ahead / Elves / 2 x 4 / Wings / Hexen Definitive-Strife Knot / The Classical / Petty Thief Lout / Lay of the Land / Copped It

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May 1985 - May 1986 : lineup # 21 : Mark E. Smith (vocals), Brix E. Smith (guitar, vocals), Craig Scanlon (guitar), Steve Hanley (bass), Simon Rogers (keyboards, guitar), Karl Burns (drums).

Friday, 14 May 1985   John Peel Session #8 (broadcast Monday, 3 June)

Cruiser's Creek / Couldn't Get Ahead / Gut of the Quantifier / Spoilt Victorian Child

Mark E. Smith - vocals; Brix Smith - guitar, vocals; Craig Scanlon - guitar, backing vocals; Steve Hanley - bass; Simon Rogers - guitar, keyboards; Karl Burns - drums, bass. Produced by Mark Radcliffe, engineered by Mike Walter, recorded in Maida Vale 5.

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June 1985 : "Couldn't Get Ahead / Rollin' Dany / Petty Thief Lout" single released

Thanks to David Flavell for the clippings.

Sunday, 16 June 1985   Clitheroe Castle, Lancashire

Kicker Conspiracy / 2 x 4 / Couldn't Get Ahead / Petty Thief Lout / No Bulbs / Gut of the Quantifier / Spoilt Victorian Child / Barmy / Stephen's Song / Lay of the Land // Cruiser's Creek / Oh! Brother

- "Put a bit more monitors on, Ed, please. Right, is there anyone else who wants to come on stage and have any of the impersonal disagreements? Right." (before "2 x 4")
- "Turn it down, Steve." (during "Stephen Song")

Open air concert with free admission. The set from 2 x 4 through Lay of the Land was broadcast on Steve Barker's "On the Wire," BBC Radio Lancashire. Organized by the station and Ribble Valley Borough Council.

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Wednesday, 19 June 1985   International, 47 Anson Road, Manchester

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Copped It / Wings / Couldn't Get Ahead / Petty Thief Lout / No Bulbs / Gut of the Quantifier / Spoilt Victorian Child / Barmy / Elves / Paintwork / Lay of the Land

"... at Manchester’s new gigging flagship, The International ... The band punch along with enthusiastic gusto as Smith deliberately lies low, virtually throwing the attention across stage towards the spotlighted Brix. Mark E. Smith seemed relieved, the deligation of responsibility ... A basic noise, often exploding ... [Mick Middles, "The Fall, Manchester," Sounds, 6 July 1985, p. 44.]

Thanks to David Humphries and the Manchester District Music Archive for the flyers.

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Thursday, 18 July 1985   Underground, Croydon

Wings / Bombast / Disney's Dream Debased / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / L.A. / Gut of the Quantifier / Smile / Petty Thief Lout / Spoilt Victorian Child / Slang King / Lay of the Land / Kicker Conspiracy

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Friday, 19 July 1985   W.O.M.A.D. Festival, Mersea Island, Essex

Paintwork (very brief) / Wings / Bombast / Disney's Dream Debased / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / L.A. / Smile / Gut of the Quantifier / Petty Thief Lout / Slang King / Spoilt Victorian Child // Kicker Conspiracy / Lay of the Land / Pat Trip Dispenser

“ ' We’re The Fall and we’re from the first world’, sneered village shamen Mark E. Smith ... They played until past 2 am ..." [Gavin Martin, ‘It’s a WOMAD, mad, mad world’, NME, 27 July 1985, p. 7]. Peter Hammill also on the bill.

Thanks to Steve G. for the wristband.

- "... nuclear war, I'm going round to their house, 'cos they ain't had a hit yet! It's The Fall!" (compere's introduction)
- "Good evening. We are The Fall and we are from the first world."
- "Smelt like Holland, did it not? Smiles! Smile! Dances and asks for cigarettes, which is not bad in itself! Farmed environment list... environment list." (amended lyrics to "Smile")
- "Could we have the beat, please?" (during the quiet part of "Smile")
- "Have we got a drummer tonight or what?" (Karl Burns being a little slow with the opening of Gut of the Quantifier 'cos he was adjusting his hi-hat, leaving MES' vocals accompanied.)
- "He said 'Hi' to Horst the Viking. 'Hi Horst, you dumb blonde fiend!'" (amended lyrics to "Slang King")
- "Try to keep away from the keyboard backstage." (before "Kicker Conspiracy")
- "First annual Anti-Townsend benefit." (during "Pat Trip Dispenser")

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early August 1985

According to the 17 August 1985 NME's "last week" section, Brix DJ'd at Leigh Bowery's Maximus Club. D. Bowie, Lana Pellay, and MES in attendance.

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September 1985 : "This Nation's Saving Grace" LP released.

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Germany : ca. 9 - 16 September

Monday, 9 September 1985   Markthalle, Hamburg, Germany

Wings / Bombast / Slang King / Couldn't Get Ahead / L.A. / What You Need / God Box / 2 x 4 / Petty Thief Lout / Gut of the Quantifier / Elves / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Rollin' Dany / Spoilt Victorian Child

Thanks to Gabi for the ticket.

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Tuesday, 10 September 1985   Soxs, Hannover , Germany

Wings / Gut of the Quantifier / Couldn't Get Ahead / Bombast / What You Need / L.A. / Spoilt Victorian Child / Petty Thief Lout / Hey! Marc Riley / Lay of the Land / Rollin' Dany / 2 x 4

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Wednesday, 11 September 1985   Schlachthof, Bremen, Germany

Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / L.A. / Barmy / Petty Thief Lout / 2 x 4 / Gut of the Quantifier / Cruiser's Creek / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Kicker Conspiracy / Elves

- "3. The mug of Geoff Travis, supremo of Rough Trade Records, framed." (amended lyrics to "What You Need")
- "Just call me the first! Wake up! Just call me the first!" (during "Barmy")

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Thursday, 12 September 1985   Luxor, Cologne, Germany

Wings / Couldn't Get Ahead / Bombast / Disney's Dream Debased / Spoilt Victorian Child / L. A. / What You Need / Barmy / Petty Thief Lout / 2 x 4 / Kicker Conspiracy / The Man Whose Head Expanded

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Friday, 13 September 1985   Zeche, Bochum, Germany

Wings / Bombast / God Box / Disney's Dream Debased / What You Need / Barmy / Kicker Conspiracy / Petty Thief Lout / 2 x 4 / Gut of the Quantifier / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Copped It / Elves / Hey! Marc Riley

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Sunday, 15 September 1985   Batschkapp, Frankfurt, Germany

Wings / Bombast / God Box / Disney's Dream Debased / Spoilt Victorian Child / What You Need / Kicker Conspiracy / Petty Thief Lout / 2 x 4 / Gut of the Quantifier / Barmy / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Rollin' Dany / Lay of the Land / Couldn't Get Ahead

- "And whose main entitle is themselves, laughing Billy, shall eat the wrath of my bombast." (during the introduction to "Bombast")
- "God Box! Michael! God box!" (during "God Box")
- "Lay of the land... lay of the land." (before "Lay of the Land")

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Monday, 16 September 1985   Hunky Dory, Detmold, Germany

Wings / Slang King / God Box / L.A. / What You Need / Bombast

Incomplete. Michael says they also played Petty Thief Lout and possibly Fiery Jack.

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Sunday, 29 September 1985   John Peel Session #9 (broadcast Monday, 7 October)

L.A. / The Man Whose Head Expanded / What You Need / Faust Banana

Mark E. Smith - vocals; Brix Smith - guitar, vocals; Craig Scanlon - guitar, backing vocals; Steve Hanley - bass; Simon Rogers - guitar, keyboards; Karl Burns - drums, bass. Produced by Dale Griffin, engineered by Mike Engles, recorded in Maida Vale 5.

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October 1985 : "Cruiser's Creek / L.A. / Vixen" single released

UK : ca. 3 - 31 October

Thanks to David Flavell for the clippings.

Thursday, 3 October 1985   Riverside, Newcastle

The Man Whose Head Expanded / Bombast / God Box / What You Need / Barmy / L.A. / I Am Damo Suzuki / Couldn't Get Ahead / Gut of the Quantifier / Petty Thief Lout / Copped It / Dktr Faustus

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Friday, 4 October 1985   Queen Margaret Union, Glasgow

Wings / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / Disney's Dream Debased / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Spoilt Victorian Child / What You Need / L.A. / Petty Thief Lout / Gut of the Quantifier / Dktr Faustus / Kicker Conspiracy / Elves / Copped It

- "We are unit from Thule island." (amended lyrics to "Gut of the Quantifier")

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Saturday, 5 October 1985   Victoria Hotel, Aberdeen

No tape exists?

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Monday, 7 October 1985   Coasters, Edinburgh

Wings / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / Disney's Dream Debased / The Man Whose Head Expanded / What You Need / Barmy / L.A. / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Kicker Conspiracy / Dktr Faustus / Spoilt Victorian Child / 2 x 4

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Tuesday, 8 October 1985   Sheffield University

Wings / Bombast / What You Need / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Barmy / 2 x 4 / Dktr Faustus / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / L.A. / Kicker Conspiracy / Spoilt Victorian Child

Long Ryders supporting

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Wednesday, 9 October 1985   Hacienda, Manchester

Mansion (intro tape) / Paintwork excerpt (ca. 30 second instr.) / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead (two attempts) / What You Need / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Barmy / L.A. / Dktr. Faustus / 2 x 4 / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Spoilt Victorian Child / Kicker Conspiracy / Lay of the Land

- "Start again." (before the second attempt at "Couldn't Get Ahead")

Thanks to Ashley Haynes for the ticket and David Humphries for the flyer.

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Thursday, 10 October 1985   Leeds Polytechnic

Wings / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / Disney's Dream Debased / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Barmy / Dktr Faustus / 2 x 4 / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Petty Thief Lout / Kicker Conspiracy / Spoilt Victorian Child

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Saturday, 12 October 1985   University of East Anglia, Norwich

No tape exists? Thanks to Mick for the ticket and setlist.

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Monday, 14 October 1985   Hexagon Theatre, Reading

Wings / Bombast / What You Need / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Petty Thief Lout / Barmy / 2 x 4 / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / L.A. / Spoilt Victorian Child / Kicker Conspiracy

Possibly Dktr. Faustus between 2 x 4 and Damo, but no t on my copy.

- "And it's dry from your way. I want it dry." (amended lyrics to "Petty Thief Lout")
- "This is a group from Thule. Thule is an island North-West of where, I can't quite remember." (amended lyrics to "Gut of the Quantifier")
- MES: "By the way, the promoter tonight is a corrupt incompetent, OK? Roger Edwards is his name. You've been taken for a ride. Well, we have. You haven't. We have. S'alright. (...). OK." Brix: "Kill him! Kill him!" (before "Kicker Conspiracy")

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Tuesday, 15 October 1985   Rock City, Nottingham

Wings / Bombast / What You Need / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Petty Thief Lout / Barmy / 2 x 4 / Dktr Faustus / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / L.A. / Couldn't Get Ahead / Spoilt Victorian Chid / Kicker Conspiracy

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Wednesday, 16 October 1985   Pink Toothbrush, Rayleigh

Cruiser's Creek / Bombast / What You Need / Barmy / Petty Thief Lout / 2 x 4 / Rollin' Dany / Dktr Faustus / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Couldn't Get Ahead / Spoilt Victorian Child / L.A. / God Box

- "Two: Face magazine for arse. Two... three... four. Four: the full madrigal. Never (...) hospital on a Sunny Madison production." (amended lyrics to "What You Need")

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Thursday, 17 October 1985   Leicester University

Mansion (intro tape) / Copped It / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / Faust Banana / Petty Thief Lout / Barmy / L.A. / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Elves / Lay of the Land / Cruisers Creek

Peter: "Leicester was interesting as Simon Rogers did not play because he was doing something for the BBC. The set was a bit different to the others at this stage of the tour. Also Barry Sutton and Lol Geoghan came on stage and did handclaps during What You Need (which was amusing!). They were roadying at the time and were part of Marshmallow Overcoat who supported the Fall at the 31.10.85 Krackers gig (billed as Clive and Vera of Heswall)(!). Barry was later part of the Walking Seeds who supported the Fall on some of the May 1987 tour."

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Saturday, 19 October 1985   City Hall, St. Albans

Copped It / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / Dktr Faustus / Petty Thief Lout / Barmy / L.A. / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Spoilt Victorian Child / Kicker Conspiracy

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Sunday, 20 October 1985   Powerhouse, Birmingham

Copped It / Bombast / Couldn't Get Ahead / What You Need / Cruiser's Creek / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Petty Thief Lout / Dktr Faustus / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / Kicker Conspiracy / Spoilt Victorian Child / 2 x 4

Supported by the Jeffrey Lee Pierce Quartet. £3.50 advance, £4 on the door.

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Tuesday, 22 October 1985   Shelley's, Stoke

Supported by Happy Content. No tape exists? Many thanks to Steve Owen for the ticket and photos.

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Wednesday, 23 October 1985   Bournemouth Town Hall

No tape exists? The ending of this gig was memorialized in "Bournemouth Runner."

Mick: It was October 1985 and the Fall played at the Bournemouth Town Hall, a venue that no longer exists as it has been rebuilt into office buildings, but it did host some excellent gigs, namely TRB supported by a very young and crap U2 (some things never change), Cabaret Voltaire, The Cure, SLF and almost Crass (which the council cancelled at the last minute).

From what I can remember, it was an excellent gig and apart from when they played Poole Arts Centre in 1990, the only one they've done in the area.

After the encore, Terry Stoate who like myself has been a Fall fan since the seventies, jumped on to the stage and pulled off the backdrop, which was at the back of the stage (The Fall surrounded by the swirly circle like on the Wonderful and Frightening album cover). He jumped off the stage, said to me come on and ran out of the side door.

A couple of bouncers chased after him and after about 200 yards, they caught him and I arrived just in time to see the last punch thrown and the backdrop being taken back. Terry was still smiling though! He was smiling even more when the track "The Bournemouth Runner" was released and for a while, ran a removals firm under the same name. The backdrop though was never seen again.

I met Mark E Smith in the George Hotel having a pint before the Poole gig and asked him about it and he said they never saw it again!

ps I saw Bournemouth play at Oldham in 1988 and stayed in the hotel where the Ghost in my House video was shot in North Manchester!

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Friday, 25 October 1985   Bristol University

No tape exists?

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Saturday, 26 October 1985   Mandela Hall, Sussex University, Brighton

Thanks to Doon for the poster and Mark for the flyer.

Clear Off / Couldn't Get Ahead / Barmy / What You Need / Bombast / L.A. / Dktr Faustus / The Man Whose Head Expanded / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / 2 x 4 / Spoilt Victorian Child / God Box / I Feel Voxish

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Thursday, 31 October 1985   Krackers, Liverpool

Mansion (intro tape) / Wings / Bombast / Clear Off / Gut of the Quantifier / I Feel Voxish (two attempts) / What You Need / Faust Banana / Barmy / Paintwork instrumental excerpt > L.A. / 2 x 4 / I Am Damo Suzuki / Couldn't Get Ahead / Spoilt Victorian Child / Rollin' Danny / Totally Wired

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Friday, 8 November 1985   The Tube, Newcastle

Bombast / Cruiser's Creek

Second and final appearance on this live TV show.

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Saturday, 9 November 1985   Great Hall, Lancaster University

Cruiser's Creek / Clear Off / Rollin' Danny / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Couldn't Get Ahead / Barmy / Draygo's Guilt / Stephen Song / 2 x 4 / Gut of the Quantifier / What You Need / I Feel Voxish / Spoilt Victorian Child / My New House / God Box / L.A. // No Bulbs

No tape exists? A correspondent reports that the band had fish and chips before the gig, and Brix requested a TV so she could watch "Dynasty."

Shaun: "I had a nigh-on unlistenable tape, I recorded on an old 70’s tape recorder, borrowed at the last minute, without checking if it actually recorded at this gig once, I did get the accurate set list from this tape and there was certainly Barmy, Draygo's Guilt and Stephen Song, between Couldn't Get Ahead and 2X4.
I do remember cursing at having to turn the tape over during Drago’s Guilt as it was one of my favourites!
I didn’t know at the time it would all be a sack of shit on the tape!
I did not record the encore at the time in it’s entirity but I am sure they did (unusually!) a second encore which was just a very long version of 'No Bulbs'. The rest of the set list is correct.
That night I tried to sleep, stranded, with 5 others in a bus shelter and it was -7 degrees. The next morning was Sunday and there were no buses to Lancaster until 10 a.m. !! A NIGHTMARE ! But worth it for a great 90 minute set!"

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Monday, 11 November 1985   Hammersmith Palais, London

Bombast / Clear Off / Cruisers Creek / 2 x 4 / What You Need / Dktr. Faustus / Barmy / Paintwork / L.A. / I Am Damo Suzuki / Gut of the Quantifier / The Man Whose Head Expanded / Spolit Victorian Child / Couldn't Get Ahead / I Feel Voxish

(There's some "Bourgeouis Blues" lyrics in "Gut of the Quantifier")
- "Long pause!" (in one of the gaps where the music stops during "Cruisers Creek")

Supported by the Jeffrey Lee Pierce Quartet and Wolfgang Press. Many thanks to Paul Lewis for these photos and to Paul Allen for the ticket.

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